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Post by elalacran on Jan 23, 2012 10:20:31 GMT -5
Speaking philosophically, what do any of us "accomplish"? We eat, drink, breed, play with colored stones, mumble words, and die. There is no essential difference between the suit-clad armies of Wall Street or Capitol Hill and a pack of neanderthals clustered around the mouth of their cave.
But about Talk Lubbock, let's be blunt. Clif Burnett did not "Take down" Talk Lubbock. Those who started it took it down. They did so out of frustration.
Their decison was precipitated by Clif, sure, when SMC got mad because of member criticism at how he got into a scrap with Clif and then when Clif posted private info on his blog.
If you follow Clif's blog, you saw that Clif posted a comment about a list of seven conspirators at Talk Lubbock that he deleted less than a day later. Did Clif get a "lawyer letter" or did he have second thoughts about getting in trouble?
Anyway. Talk Lubbock was taken down because those who ran it (the humans, not the ETs) talked too much about themselves and revealed their identities. Clif merely put a little crowbar in that opening.
Here's what I think happened based on my guesswork. SMC did most of the work on the forum, both technical and day to day administration. When TA members started accusing him of bullying Clif, he got fed up and quit. Then when Clif started outing others at TA, the powers-that-were said "Enough" and took the board down.
Crediting Clif for bringing down Talk Lubbock is like crediting a tapeworm with killing an elephant.
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Post by elalacran on Jan 23, 2012 10:55:11 GMT -5
Sean could be disagreable, acerbic, and as tenacious in a fight as a pit bull, but I liked him.
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Post by elalacran on Jan 24, 2012 23:11:39 GMT -5
Sean was not a lib. He disagreed with nearly everything I posted. He favors Ron Paul over the other presidential candidates. He is most nearly a Republican, for pete's sake!
You make the same mistake that Clif does -- when you violate the rules and get banned you twist it to suit your own prejudices. Clif sees a conspiracy of political or newspaper insiders, and you see a liberal conspiracy to keep you quiet. Absolute nonsense.
TL was closed because Clif published private info about [removed],
I don't believe that Clif is dangerous, but a number of Lubbock's Republicans did when they served him with those criminal trespass orders that took away many of his basic rights as a citizen, without an opportunity to have a hearing about it; are you going against them, huh, huh, huh?
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Post by elalacran on Jan 25, 2012 13:35:07 GMT -5
Ever try to hire a lawyer? They want this stuff called money, a lot of it, and up front. And with Clif banned from the courthouse, he couldn't go file anything himself, couldn't even attend a hearing unless a judge temporarily lifted the order.
Pretty darned effective isn't it? You issue an order without a prior hearing, that takes oodles of money to challenge. Such are the Nazis in local government.
But lest one has too much sympathy for Clif, he did a cheap snide thing too. Merely because he was criticized by various posters at Talk Lubbock, he hauled off and accused them (us, since he was after me too) of all kinds of nonsense. He posted all over the internet that SMC was into nudity, when SMC posted an xmas pic of himself in shorts. He hunted up sites where SMC was known and posted attacks on SMC. That, ladies and germs, is internet stalking.
That's the thing about the internet. If you have access and some time, you can blow somebody's reputation real fast. Post things about others that will show up for years in googled searches. Affect one's ability to get a job or a date or a friend. And that is why they took down Talk Lubbock, as an act of self-defense against an uncontrollable stalker.
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Post by elalacran on Jan 26, 2012 6:28:26 GMT -5
to take that little piece of the Lubbock DNC down... I still laugh inside when I think about it... "Little piece of the DNC"?? Talk Lubbock!? You are like Rick Santorum. You know what he said this week? Rick Santorum urged his followers to stop donating to public universities. Why? Because universities are a "liberalizing influence" on the young! 62% (he said) of students entering universities with a religious faith loose it by the time they graduate. Well, I don't know about 62%, but hell yes education is liberalizing. To think and to learn is liberalizing. To mature and to grow is liberalizing. To be liberal is to be free. True liberalism has nothing to do with the DNC and sometimes the opposite. Liberalism has to do with liberty, with freedom. The freedom to think and to say things that may be unpopular. LubGOP, what you said about Talk Lubbock is pure poppycock. You didn't like the ideas some expressed there because you are a Republican, and Republicans are all about control. You all want to control behavior and to control thought. To keep people fenced into a belief system and a behavioral system. You want to tell women they don't have control of their own bodies. To tell the young they can't think for themselves and break free old old ideas. To make more laws to control the behavior of our citizens. To force other countries and peoples to share our capitalist beliefs or else ... or else the killing fields of the CIA and Ronald Reagan and U.S. backed dictators. Take a look at your assertion about Talk Lubbock. The two people who ran the place tended toward Republican candidates. A majority of the posters there were Republican. Who were not? Me, Jeff Ross, probably 70sGuy; Arch evolved hs own TR progressivism and left the GOP. Tarkus. Two of those are no longer in Lubbock. SMC was eclectic, probably voting Republican for the presidency but rejecting some of the untraconservative dogma. Clif was agin everybody but is a Republican at heart. The Advocate is a Republican at heart but espouses many Democratic Party planks. Everybody else, Mr. C, Firemall, Trickydick, Nopig, The Saint, Swworker, Lubbock 79414, JS305, probably Sam, were Republicans, though Firemall was against the system and Mr. C thought of himself as an independent. Where's the "little piece of the DNC" in that? Let me guess your reasoning. If those in charge at Talk Lubbock let Jeff and me post there, they couldn't be Republicans, right?  My response is that they were Republicans, just not the "good" ones who tolerate no dissent. |
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Post by elalacran on Jan 28, 2012 11:55:56 GMT -5
No disrespect meant to Roger who has been nice to me, but he is judgmental and prescriptive, which to me means Republican brain structure. Clif is condemning, judgmental. Both were Republicans until they caused too much trouble and were exiled. They became Democrats only by default. Clif is now -- what? Green?
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Post by elalacran on Jan 28, 2012 18:31:41 GMT -5
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Post by lubbockgoper on Jan 28, 2012 22:26:16 GMT -5
Whatever you say Jacob... |
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Post by elalacran on Jan 29, 2012 11:11:55 GMT -5
You can call me Jake. More masculine, less religious.
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Post by elalacran on Jan 29, 2012 13:26:57 GMT -5
The closest presidential candidate to Ron Reagan in 2012 is -- Obama. Lines blur.
Back to Sean. Sean likes a scrap. Has little patience with declarations he doesn't agree with. He and I got into it a couple of times. Leave an opening and he;ll pick you to pieces. He's just that way. Nothing personal in it. You took it personally. So did Clif. I didn't. Just because Sean told me I was full of horse manure didn't mean we were enemies. Had nothing to do with partiality or the political orientation of that other forum. If you read between the lines you would know the place was run by a Republican from the first. Sean was the techno-wiz, not the shot-caller.
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Post by elalacran on Jan 29, 2012 14:40:29 GMT -5
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Post by elalacran on Jan 29, 2012 21:19:24 GMT -5
Clif has quietened down after his attacks on Talk Lubbock and its members. I do wonder if he was served with some kind of notice. Or is worried about getting himself in trouble over it. Or maybe is ashamed of himself. You think?
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Post by fred on Jan 31, 2012 13:38:34 GMT -5
Talk Lubbock is operating now. Is it under the same management? Do you get the feeling that others are in charge now?
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Post by boogerredwine on Jan 31, 2012 23:10:44 GMT -5
Clif has quietened down after his attacks on Talk Lubbock and its members. I do wonder if he was served with some kind of notice. Or is worried about getting himself in trouble over it. Or maybe is ashamed of himself. You think? Not a chance. He get his props from being nasty. |
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Post by elalacran on Feb 1, 2012 11:33:23 GMT -5
Because Clif is nasty to everybody, women because they are women if they have any authority, Hispanics the same, blacks the same, Republicans, Democrats, and so on, one is inclined to give him a pass. He uses a shotgun, and some of those he hits deserve it.
He can't diss the local Greens, because there aren't any. If there were, he'd have to go off and find some other party to chair.
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My response is that they were Republicans, just not the "good" ones who tolerate no dissent.